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	<title>Comments on: Senate Vote On Health Care Reform:Senate Health Care Vote</title>
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		<title>By: Mooch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James; You forget it is not mandated to buy auto insurance if you don&#039;t have a car. In Washington State if you ride a motorcycle you don&#039;t even have to purchase ins. because they have determined that the percentage of motorcycle involved accidents were caused by the person driving the car. In this so called Health Reform Bill it is mandated you have to buy health ins. or else!!!! Have a good day comrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James; You forget it is not mandated to buy auto insurance if you don&#8217;t have a car. In Washington State if you ride a motorcycle you don&#8217;t even have to purchase ins. because they have determined that the percentage of motorcycle involved accidents were caused by the person driving the car. In this so called Health Reform Bill it is mandated you have to buy health ins. or else!!!! Have a good day comrade.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the UK and Ifrodo you must be honest that you pay VERY HIGH TAXES for that public health care.  In the UK when we examined our taxes to pay for National Health Care it was double what we pay in the US for health insurance and our quality of care is very poor in the UK compared to the US health care system.  I know because I have had many surgeries under both systems.  All Europe pays very high taxes for nationalized health care and as you have said now many citizens of those countries purchase additional health care insurance for what is not included in the public system sometimes triple what you would pay in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the UK and Ifrodo you must be honest that you pay VERY HIGH TAXES for that public health care.  In the UK when we examined our taxes to pay for National Health Care it was double what we pay in the US for health insurance and our quality of care is very poor in the UK compared to the US health care system.  I know because I have had many surgeries under both systems.  All Europe pays very high taxes for nationalized health care and as you have said now many citizens of those countries purchase additional health care insurance for what is not included in the public system sometimes triple what you would pay in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually you are incorrect about the life span being longer in western europe and canada.  Living in the UK these past years, I have found out that they don&#039;t count aborted babies in their life expectancy count like the US does and we have 40 million abortions so that really drags our number down.  On the other hand, you are more likely to get cancer in the UK because they refuse to examine you because you are not the age that typically gets such and such type of cancer.  Or that is what I have been told when I asked for a breast exam recently.  Also, you get a pap smear once every 5 years that is why so many women die of ovarian cancer over here.  It is one of the ways that they save costs for National Health Care is by convincing women it is not necessary to get regular pap smears and breast exams.  My GP is like the gate keeper from getting the treatment you need.  Every time I go to her she tells me why statistically I don&#039;t need treatment and you can&#039;t change GPs because they are assigned by the area you live in.  It is a sad frustrating system that the poor, middle class, and elderly are trapped into because they can&#039;t afford the additional health insurance that the working class purchase to get better treatment.  It is not a good solution to our current problems in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually you are incorrect about the life span being longer in western europe and canada.  Living in the UK these past years, I have found out that they don&#8217;t count aborted babies in their life expectancy count like the US does and we have 40 million abortions so that really drags our number down.  On the other hand, you are more likely to get cancer in the UK because they refuse to examine you because you are not the age that typically gets such and such type of cancer.  Or that is what I have been told when I asked for a breast exam recently.  Also, you get a pap smear once every 5 years that is why so many women die of ovarian cancer over here.  It is one of the ways that they save costs for National Health Care is by convincing women it is not necessary to get regular pap smears and breast exams.  My GP is like the gate keeper from getting the treatment you need.  Every time I go to her she tells me why statistically I don&#8217;t need treatment and you can&#8217;t change GPs because they are assigned by the area you live in.  It is a sad frustrating system that the poor, middle class, and elderly are trapped into because they can&#8217;t afford the additional health insurance that the working class purchase to get better treatment.  It is not a good solution to our current problems in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a US citizen living in the UK under the National Health system (NHS).  I have now had 2 surgeries under this system and it is horrible!  No second opinion if you want to find out if your doctor knows what they are talking about or not.  Also, they perform surgeries using archaic operating methods.  The same surgery that takes US citizens one week to recover from takes me at least a month because they use the same method that the US would have used 20 years ago!!!!  My first surgery they promised would take me a week to recover.  It is 7 months later and my wounds are still healing.  I never had this poor medical treatment in the US.  

The poor and the elderly usually have to use the NHS in the UK.  I would not want to inflict that type of medical torture on our US poor, elderly, and middle class.  Anyone in the UK wanting a second opinion or better qualified doctors must pay for health insurance on top of the high taxes that we pay for the NHS.  Meaning that we pay twice as much as the US citizen for health care costs.  The local person in the UK has told me that all working class people buy additional health insurance as well as paying for the taxes for the NHS.  The only reason they defend the NHS is because they never had a medicare or medicaid system like we have in the US to take care of the poor and elderly.  So it is their way to take care of the elderly and poor.  They are trying to reform their system.  So why are we trying to copy these broken health care systems in the US.

All our legislatures need to do is introduce compitition across state lines, make it illegal to deny coverage for pre-exisiting conditions, regulate insurance costs, and find an insurance co-op system for minimum wage workers that would make health insurance affordable for them.  I am sure that there are some other good ideas out there besides these, but the National Health Care option is not one of them in light of the messed up job they have done with medicare and medicaid.  They need to fix these systems too.

Whenever the government is involved in running something it gets screwed up.  Just look at our public school systems going down the toilet too and I should know I used to teach in the US public school system.  Whatever the government touches it breaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a US citizen living in the UK under the National Health system (NHS).  I have now had 2 surgeries under this system and it is horrible!  No second opinion if you want to find out if your doctor knows what they are talking about or not.  Also, they perform surgeries using archaic operating methods.  The same surgery that takes US citizens one week to recover from takes me at least a month because they use the same method that the US would have used 20 years ago!!!!  My first surgery they promised would take me a week to recover.  It is 7 months later and my wounds are still healing.  I never had this poor medical treatment in the US.  </p>
<p>The poor and the elderly usually have to use the NHS in the UK.  I would not want to inflict that type of medical torture on our US poor, elderly, and middle class.  Anyone in the UK wanting a second opinion or better qualified doctors must pay for health insurance on top of the high taxes that we pay for the NHS.  Meaning that we pay twice as much as the US citizen for health care costs.  The local person in the UK has told me that all working class people buy additional health insurance as well as paying for the taxes for the NHS.  The only reason they defend the NHS is because they never had a medicare or medicaid system like we have in the US to take care of the poor and elderly.  So it is their way to take care of the elderly and poor.  They are trying to reform their system.  So why are we trying to copy these broken health care systems in the US.</p>
<p>All our legislatures need to do is introduce compitition across state lines, make it illegal to deny coverage for pre-exisiting conditions, regulate insurance costs, and find an insurance co-op system for minimum wage workers that would make health insurance affordable for them.  I am sure that there are some other good ideas out there besides these, but the National Health Care option is not one of them in light of the messed up job they have done with medicare and medicaid.  They need to fix these systems too.</p>
<p>Whenever the government is involved in running something it gets screwed up.  Just look at our public school systems going down the toilet too and I should know I used to teach in the US public school system.  Whatever the government touches it breaks.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh oh.  Just wait until this person discovers that everyone is required to buy auto insurance.  TYRANNY!  These hyper-patriots who&#039;ve just now discovered the Constitution are hilarious.  8 years of Bush and Cheney wiping their asses with it and not a peep (extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention of US citizens with no trial and no legal representation -- isn&#039;t there something about that in the Constitution?).  Now suddenly in a few short months of a Democratic presidency the country apparently lays in ruins and it&#039;s all that awful Obama&#039;s fault.  It&#039;s a case of willful, partisan amnesia to not recognize how we got here, and it&#039;s simply pathological to suggest we once again turn the reins over to the very people who got us here.  Astonishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh.  Just wait until this person discovers that everyone is required to buy auto insurance.  TYRANNY!  These hyper-patriots who&#8217;ve just now discovered the Constitution are hilarious.  8 years of Bush and Cheney wiping their asses with it and not a peep (extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention of US citizens with no trial and no legal representation &#8212; isn&#8217;t there something about that in the Constitution?).  Now suddenly in a few short months of a Democratic presidency the country apparently lays in ruins and it&#8217;s all that awful Obama&#8217;s fault.  It&#8217;s a case of willful, partisan amnesia to not recognize how we got here, and it&#8217;s simply pathological to suggest we once again turn the reins over to the very people who got us here.  Astonishing.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Griffis</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Griffis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey mom

Your p!ssing in the wind.  The moron you are addressing (Dianne) has likely never READ the Constitution.  And if she has then she obviously has no regard for it.  But she is in good company.  75% of Congress has nothing but disdain for that very document.

For the rest of you FREEDOM HATERS that want to force everyone onto a single payer healthcare system at the point of the gun of government...show me in the Constitution specifically where the federal government has been granted the power to provide ANYONE with healthcare.  Show me in same document where the federal government has been empowered to force me to buy a product (insurance) by force.  State governments have this right according to the tenth amendment.  The Federal Government DOES NOT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey mom</p>
<p>Your p!ssing in the wind.  The moron you are addressing (Dianne) has likely never READ the Constitution.  And if she has then she obviously has no regard for it.  But she is in good company.  75% of Congress has nothing but disdain for that very document.</p>
<p>For the rest of you FREEDOM HATERS that want to force everyone onto a single payer healthcare system at the point of the gun of government&#8230;show me in the Constitution specifically where the federal government has been granted the power to provide ANYONE with healthcare.  Show me in same document where the federal government has been empowered to force me to buy a product (insurance) by force.  State governments have this right according to the tenth amendment.  The Federal Government DOES NOT!</p>
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		<title>By: One4Yeshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>One4Yeshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sentiments exactly. What is this a set up? And we the American people will suffer for this!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sentiments exactly. What is this a set up? And we the American people will suffer for this!!</p>
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		<title>By: One4Yeshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>One4Yeshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that Brother! Couldn&#039;t have said it any better. Our government is now being run by a bunch of selfish, eogotists that are power hungry, and no longer listening to the people. You are right, these people should be fired, if not impeached for their standing on their own politcal agendas They have lied to the American public and continue to do so, in making this Health Care Reform APPEAR to be better for the public, but yet innocent lives WILL BE affected. God Help Us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that Brother! Couldn&#8217;t have said it any better. Our government is now being run by a bunch of selfish, eogotists that are power hungry, and no longer listening to the people. You are right, these people should be fired, if not impeached for their standing on their own politcal agendas They have lied to the American public and continue to do so, in making this Health Care Reform APPEAR to be better for the public, but yet innocent lives WILL BE affected. God Help Us.</p>
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		<title>By: DiAna Chavez</title>
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		<dc:creator>DiAna Chavez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We the working class will be punished for working and keeping the unemployed insured. Shame on your compassion. People who have worked hard to keep this country capitalistic, but now people like you want socialism, or why not communism. You say health care providers charge up the wazoo, and it is not necessarily the ins. companies. Just so you know, the providers agree to take their (ins.) patients, if they pay &quot;X&quot; amount of what medicare pays. it could be the same, or more, and some of these insurances have the audacity to offer less than medicare rates, which isn&#039;t much in the first place. Which means that they can charge whatever they want, but they will only get paid what was agreed upon, the rest is a WRITE OFF. They do not get paid for that by the ins. or the patient. Right now medicare is paying about a third of the total charges. 2 thirds is written off. If you think there is a shortage of Doctors now, and you feel health care has gone down hill? Well go ahead and put in your new Health Care Reform, and see what happens then, even with all the tweeking. You better be careful what you ask for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We the working class will be punished for working and keeping the unemployed insured. Shame on your compassion. People who have worked hard to keep this country capitalistic, but now people like you want socialism, or why not communism. You say health care providers charge up the wazoo, and it is not necessarily the ins. companies. Just so you know, the providers agree to take their (ins.) patients, if they pay &#8220;X&#8221; amount of what medicare pays. it could be the same, or more, and some of these insurances have the audacity to offer less than medicare rates, which isn&#8217;t much in the first place. Which means that they can charge whatever they want, but they will only get paid what was agreed upon, the rest is a WRITE OFF. They do not get paid for that by the ins. or the patient. Right now medicare is paying about a third of the total charges. 2 thirds is written off. If you think there is a shortage of Doctors now, and you feel health care has gone down hill? Well go ahead and put in your new Health Care Reform, and see what happens then, even with all the tweeking. You better be careful what you ask for.</p>
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		<title>By: DcGentry</title>
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		<dc:creator>DcGentry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, if you have healthcare through your employer,,, as nearly all americans who have insurance do,,, your benefits are determined by your employer, not the insurance company.  The employer negotiates the policy,,, you live with the results... The insurance company enforces the agreement.  The public option is not negotiated,, it is determined by the government  -  as well as the reimbursement.   So, there will be not choice left.   
Have worked in healthcare for 25 years.   Increased number of patients without no increase in staff WILL REQUIRE  decisions to be made as to who received care.   WE already are mandated by state run healthcare to report to the state who has been admitted according to diagnosis,,, they will decide if the admitting diagnosis is covered or not.   Patient has not choice in the matter, unless willing to pay personally, which of course they cannot do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, if you have healthcare through your employer,,, as nearly all americans who have insurance do,,, your benefits are determined by your employer, not the insurance company.  The employer negotiates the policy,,, you live with the results&#8230; The insurance company enforces the agreement.  The public option is not negotiated,, it is determined by the government  &#8211;  as well as the reimbursement.   So, there will be not choice left.<br />
Have worked in healthcare for 25 years.   Increased number of patients without no increase in staff WILL REQUIRE  decisions to be made as to who received care.   WE already are mandated by state run healthcare to report to the state who has been admitted according to diagnosis,,, they will decide if the admitting diagnosis is covered or not.   Patient has not choice in the matter, unless willing to pay personally, which of course they cannot do.</p>
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